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neovim vs vim stackoverflow

It’s possible to use both – IDEs and vintage editors for programming, but definitely the choice is not so obvious as shown in the article. But why? Nowadays I use the Vim VDebug plugin. It can be an IDE with tons of plugins, but that’s also different. When you save it, your edits are propagated to the underlying files. As Kurt Vonnegut said, “There’s only one rule that I know of, babies. This creates Atom with vim keyboard bindings, not a clone of vim, least of all literally. You can get command-line step debuggers, but it’s an activity which really benefits from the multi-pane approach. It’s also using a terrible javascript based environment which is slow, buggy, memory intensive and might well be considered a memory leak by design. But there’s no need to wait. Once you know how to cook, use your favorite knives, but stop spitting on the other ones. It’s a text editing framework. I’m OK with people saying I use old and has-been tools, but then I expect solid and interesting arguments. Say, you have to confirm that 355/113 is a good approximation for pi. I’d recommend anyone to try out the Vim-way before judging it too harshly. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. But, like training wheels, they also limit you. IDEs will keep improving, keep launching, and serve an ever-growing segment of young developers who were never forced to thrive in Vim or Emacs environments. For me Emacs is the application platform, unified environment: each key press is a programmable customizable command. It is easier to remember and easier to think of. Yes, this only became the case fairly recently: asynchronous extensions landed with vim 8 in 2016, and the invention of the langserver protocol (https://langserver.org/) gives the ability to not have to have vim-specific extensions for each language. And the IDEs available don’t provide me with better tools. I couldn’t keep using them as they seemed either too light in features or too heavy to eat up all the resources of my computer. It’s less a war at this point than a grumbling shuffle of ingrained habit and stubborn resistance to change. I did a grep for the name of the function, placed one cursor on each line of the result, used a keybinding to flip the arguments on each line, saved, and I was done. Using modern IDEs with vim plugins/modes/whatever is where the real power is. Having been a software engineer for about 20 years, and a systems engineer 10 years before that, I have always tried new IDE’s to see what they can offer. you sound disgruntled. Please scrap this, and try again when you actually looked at how advanced users use vim and emacs, and write a properly researched article and not just a hit piece. Almost all of us use vim because it is so much faster once you know how to use it. I really like emacs, and I don’t think it’s about to die in favor of VS Code or whatever the editor of the month is. However, I really love vim’s feature for pointing directly to specific line number on opening text files. In this article I want to show you how to start using Neovim instead of Vim with a minimum effort. A company, in the end, is always self-serving. To a large extent, IDEs are training wheels. What is Neovim? I think the worst IDEs are the domain-specific ones because then you end up with like six different IDEs because they are very opinionated on what languages or tools they work with, (specifically all the terrible embedded ones like uVision from Keil). Vim made it easy and provided me with an abundance of ways to browse and edit my code. However, to just say that vim, emacs, nano, etc are outdated points to a somewhat narrow perspective on the issue. It’s perceived as more efficient and professional. Mid-range programmers sometimes use Emacs/Vim, sometimes IDEs. Further, as a vim user, there’s nothing wrong with vim mode in ANY modern IDE, if you need/want the additional features of an IDE go nuts! thanks. This. The authors are talking about emacs and vim like they stopped being developed in the 70s. There’s no reason why things need to be “integrated” in a single monolithic app. Just turn vim into an ide. I have it set up as a full fledged c++ ide with vi key bindings. vim (and emacs) is here to stay, it has proven to survive many versions of many IDEs, who uses Borland, CodeWarrior today? Other than “those top programmers really should learn how to be as efficient as newbies”. . So what remains of any of the quoted arguments then? Simply understanding how to chunk work to make undo’s work the way you want is something no other editor handles well. So i stayed with default emacs and built up from that. Big IDEs and Vim/Emacs are simply different text editors. BTW, thank you so much, COC creators! yes, is highly compatible but you need to setup special things, for example setup python/python3/ruby enviroments to install neovim egg/gem for better performance (i use pyenv/rbenv to setup environments dedicated for neovim), and remember that several things that we setup in vim are already setup by default with neovim. I find myself incredibly irritated by the attitude of the article, which is that vim/emacs are antiquated tools with no future in modern programming, but that some people can’t get give up on these old-fashioned tools. Because they are IDEs. And I highly appreciate its features when I require them. I admit, I love vi, but I’ve tried various IDEs. Modern IDE’s by default present numerous visual distractions, and try to improve your productivity by guessing what you’re about to do next. I think OP just doesn’t know that TUI does not mean “old” or “bad.” I currently use VScode as I’m unfamiliar with certain parts of vim but having a text editor within my terminal would be great and I’m currently trying to vim full-time. —@Wolfy87 "A nice looking website, that’s one thing Neovim did right." I agree. I think the core reason people don’t abandon Emacs or Vim is that today with plugins they can do 90% of what a modern IDE like intellij / VS Code can do but without having to have one hand off your keyboard and lose typing efficiency. The way that this article characterizes Vim/Emacs as residue from a past era seems to miss the point that Vim continues to attract new users for a variety of reasons other than some weird nostalgia for a time we weren’t even alive for. If U can’t stop the new incoming paradigms you’re left only with bickering. In fact most people I know making the switch are young developers. IDEs have terrible start up time, are hungry for RAM, and can slow to a crawl with large files. > Most IDEs create entire worlds where developers can create, but creating requires configuration. And it’s important to note that Neovim isn’t turning Vim into an IDE. Second, crucially, Vim’s editing model is *portable*. This post makes it sound like Emacs and Vim are just Notepad with funny bindings. They either work in management or are tech journalists. Editors like Vim and Emacs don’t exist in isolation. 5 minutes read. Last year, I didn’t know what a pointer was. Will Neovim deprecate Vimscript? The novice would do better to do it by hand, with make and an editor and learn how things work. Yes, when it’s a matter of using an editor just because it’s always installed on all of my servers… it’s nano. I used IDE’s. It’s true that modern IDE provide some more functionality out of the box (debugging for instance). Of course I should give up the productivity I get with vi/gvim because some opinionated person thinks that I am “unable to let go of the past, unwilling to fully embrace the future of code editing.” What hubris. This might be forgivable if it stopped there, but to go further and say: > there is a Vim Mode package [… for users …] unable to let go of the past, unwilling to fully embrace the future of code editing.

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