how to catch quillback

Has anybody ever tried using those Ultra-Sensitive Wire Spring Bobber Rod attachments when targeting Carpsuckers? Starting point to line catch a Black Buffalo or Quillback - Ottawa/Muskegon Discussion in ' Bow Fishing ' started by fishoak , Jun 24, 2019 . I only have river carpsuckers where I live, and the ones I know about are very small and won't bite a fish hook. Sometimes, you'll get lucky and they'll hook themselves. The commercial catch of Quillbacks is low and incidental to River Carpsuckers, as neither species is in demand as a food-fish. When fishing for rockfish be ready to set your hook as soon as your line drops all the way to the bottom. But in clear water, you can detect the bite by sight. Kill it, if it does not have your intestine, load your file and kill it again. Carpsuckers are best fished from concealment, on the bank. In that time I foul hooked several but never had one that I felt was a solid no qualms about it fair hook. Quillback can be caught in small circles and therefore are harder to catch. If it's not under their nose, they won't go hunting for it, even if it's a delicious morsel only inches away. Going to try the ledger float, tiny hooks, and maggots next summer at a spot I know has quills. Fishing was slow today, I didn't tart until 0830 to give the fog a chance to burn off and finished up about 1:30 PM. Quillbacks are not of importance to anglers and are seldom caught except in very early spring. They often comprise a large po… Use small weights and very light line, and don't cast anywhere near them. Repeat until it drops for you. When they strike the bait their fins will flip as they suck in the bait, its subtle but a better indicator of a strike. It is the only that spawns in that area, and it is the only one with chance of dropping intestine. I duelled a school of river carpsuckers many years ago in a trout stream, and their sensitivity to ripples in the water and flyline moving overhead made trout look like oblivious lunkheads. Why I am not sure. I also think I hooked one when I was fishing for carp this summer with corn, never saw it though because the water was muddy though. Below us was a large pool. Most of teh Quillbacks I have caught I have been sweating so bad my eyes are burning. Fair and square on the inside of the mouth. We had caught every fish we had ever encountered. A few autums back MuskieMags and I were hitting the Ottertail trying to get him a lifer bigmouth buffalo. The Quillback carpsucker is a large, heavy-bodied fish with large, close-knit scales and a long, pointed dorsal fin that has a quill which extends to the base of dorsal. Carpiodes cyprinus. Often they will swim away from the bait if we use mono and wont be frightened by the braid. But here's what we know. The chances of finding a lone quilly feeding with abandon likely won't happen again any time soon, but I will now try not to be only focused on the schooling throngs, but alo look for outliers in specialized feeding situations. Definitely a holy grail species around here. Two weeks later, I stood on the high banks of that river with my brother Andy by my side. I won't claim to be good at it even today. Then, I discovered Wisconsin. all my Quills (not that many, but all nice size) came as by-catch w/ carp techniques that pre-date hair rigs & boilies: sliding sinker; long 2-3' leader; dough/paste on a small, short-shank hook w' the point covered (all my Quills have been fair-hooked -- never snagged). Quillbacks jump a lot in that area as well, but I'm not certain those are all quills in your video, I don't have to tell you there are lots of other fish in that area right now! Be sure the fish are actively feeding before trying to catch them. Miller’s catch was certified on scales at the Missouri Department of Conservation’s Shepherd of the Hills Hatchery in … ! It could take 20 minutes for them to work up to the bait. The quillback is found throughout much of North America, from Saskatchewan to Florida, and from South Dakota to Alabama. maybe a native of Jupiter's moon Europa) this particular quillback was very aggresive and pounced on my crawler from maybe 9" to a foot away! I should also add time of day has been important. If they are working a straight line upstream then turning to drift downstream to start again I will fish for them. Biggest issue (for me) is finding them and getting them to chew. Fish can be caught using lures crafted on the Lure Workbench and fishing nets and mystery nets made in the Net Maker. I've gotten a few blind over the years but that never put together anything consistent. Full Member; ... Nice lil fight there. species which can otherwise be caught with red lures). This species has a long falcate dorsal fin, no large papilla on the lower lip and a rounded snout. One guy had caught one once on a rapala. Sun high in the sky and the hotter the temp the better. The new “pole and line” record quillback caught by Keene on June 26 weighed 5 pounds, 13 ounces. The results came out as a list of strange numbers and codes scrolling by on a greenscreen monitor. Check out my blog @ everythingthatswims.blogspot.com. anglers must release copper, quillback, and China rockfish when fishing from a boat. North Saskatchewan River Quillback. Welcome to the strange world of angling for one of the most frustrating fishes in the world. The eyes are moderately large and closer to the tip of the snout than to the rear margin of the gill cover. Snagging for Quillbacks occurs in the fast water below dams, where they tend to gather. [the Delaware R. Basin has no redhorse, at all; White & rare N. Hog are the only sizeable suckers; Quills are the only carpsuckers], I scale down to about 4X tippet for leader & #10 hooks (smaller/lighter might be better, but I like to keep things marginally carp-worthy, in case they show up), Instead of jerky, aggressive little bites that usually indicate fallfish/chub/sunfish, or slower, more deliberate sucker bites, my line just shakes w/ barely any movement of the rod tip (or none at all), which is like a big neon sign flashing QUILLBACK!!! THANK YOU for this site!!! Logged 1 hour ago, Johnsfolly said: Good luck Dan. One of the quillback’s common names is “Quillback Carpsucker.” “Quillback” refers to the lengthy first dorsal rays and several following rays that form a long projection at the leading edge of the back fin, which might remind some of a … when these rare opportunities at feeding Quills happen, my initial hook-up ratio is downright pathetic, but if they keep biting, I "dial in" over a couple hours & hook about 1:3, or even 1:2, patience/observational skills, you are stalking/hunting, Polarized sunglass (and decent water clarity). They have good vision, a hyper-sensitive lateral line, and excellent senses of taste and smell. Although some Missourians call the river carpsucker "white carp," "silver carp," and "quillback," these names are inaccurate. roughfish identification, lifelist angling, fishing rare unusual fish species: bowfin burbot buffalo gar redhorse suckers carp. The Chicago Match-Fishers use a tiny, sensitive float rigged with a dozen tiny flecks of shot the size of pepper grains,  A carpsucker will breathe in the bait so gently that the float will barely move at all. Once I got my driver's license, I went there. They are not chasing your bait you just have to get it in front of them and watch your fleck of crawler close and set the hook when the fish suckes it up. By suspend, I mean exactly that - they hang motionless, well off the bottom. We had fished three rods, floats, bottom-rigs, flies, doughballs, everything. Maybe it'll work, or at least help? Catching a fish with a lure is instantaneous. rabbit. 0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic. I had snagged one in the face and swore it had reacted to my fly. Alas, the dam was gone and there were no carpsuckers to be found. A carpsucker that is not feeding is NOT feeding. Thanks for posting it. P.E.T.A. Keene and a fishing buddy were using red and purple-colored spoons trying to catch walleye when he hooked the state-record quillback. Caught 8 bass, 2 keepers on the Ned rig. It's interesting as hell how difficult a fish can be when targeted, but as by-catch, some people pull them out all day long & throw them back by the hundreds. I took it to ingles and had them weight it on their certifired scale, and sigh the paperwork so I guess all I have to do is wait for twra to Identify it on monday and make shure it is the record but I am totaly excited! Save your game once you find it. I got side tracked by a muskie and started thoughing a jig and retrieving it eraticly. I considered trying a little bolt rigged maggot feeder deal. I had finally found them. (Edit: Ben has since written up this story on his own blog, along with other fishing successes. They can grow to be 24-inches long. Let alone see one there since. They don't hunt for food like a predator, they breathe in tiny bits of food that happen to be right under their nose. We have tried experiments with braid vs Mono on highfins and quillback. We have tried experiments with braid vs Mono on highfins and quillback. Long story short after lots of reserch, I have a quillback carp sucker! If they're not, you're better off looking for some active fish than fishing for the inactive ones. And thanks for adding your info! Back in the 80's, when I was 16, I received the book Fishing for Buffalo, by Tom Dickson and Rob Buffler, as a gift from a good friend. Or you might see the pectoral fins quiver. I find this situation to be the best. A number 12-14 hook with a piece of a waxworm. SPRINGFIELD, Mo. Back in the 80's, when I was 16, I received the book. The fish slowly and painstakingly make their way across sand, gravel, or silt. My methods for carpsuckers ar as follows, Seriousy though this is a good read. The fish that does this the most in a small group is the easiest target, watch that fish an set up to target that individual fish. A perfect coup! Not to plug a brand, but I felt like the vibe was a pretty go deal at the price point. Groundbaiting can encourage them to feed in your general vicinity. Most importantly, the hole is absolutely brimming with river carpsuckers. It's redonkeylessly sensitive. The Division of Wildlife’s mission is to conserve and improve fish and wildlife resources and their habitats for sustainable use and appreciation by all. Just stumbled across this. A woman in Chicago chummed them in with groundbait and caught them on tiny maggots. Catch of black, blue, and deacon rockfish is projected to be under the annual quotas. The fish weighed 8.52 pounds and measured 24 inches. Not long after I made that first cast my float twitched and I set the hook. Quillbacks can be found in pools and runs of creeks and small to large rivers. Fighting the fish I thought how easy was this I could see this shadow of what, at first gance, looked like a quillback. What does quillback mean? You will need the following to stalk them on shallow flats like I have been: My preference for rigging is a 3.9m Keiryu pole with 0.15mm mono, a #16 hook, a tiny shot and a single maggot. I'd like to get any info available on blind fishing for quills. Catching quillback. If you let me get em' in I promise I let em' go. This might seem pretty obvious, but there's more to it than it seems. Good aggresive bite too. I didn't know for sure as I had never seen them before. If they are working a straight line upstream then turning to drift downstream to start again I will fish for them. Smoke a cigar and put out a line. I prefer the smallest bait I can see, maggots and wax worms are great as the white color is way easier to see than a worm chunk (worm chunks work too). Definition of quillback in the Definitions.net dictionary. At the time successfull anglers were using a well balaced float with a small hook. The most important thing is to not waste your time on a carpsucker that is not "actively" feeding. It wasn't called that, and still isn't. Why I am not sure. Multi-species angler Ben Cantrell managed to catch a couple of juvenile quillbacks (Carpiodes cyprinus) recently (late March, 2013), and since I have never seen any this young—in person or in photos this clear—I asked if he would let me post them here. Welcome to the strange world of angling for one of the most frustrating fishes in the world. I'm sure somebody has thought about using these to detect light bites? I saw two Quillback get caught one day on pineapple/vanilla dough. For weight a tiny shot, just enough to hold in the current. Anyboy try this? But where were they? I think they pick up my bait, they like the taste, they can fit it in their mouth, but need to suck it apart before they can swallow -- hence, the prolonged, barely detectable bite (zero-stretch braid is key -- I doubt I would notice anything w/ mono), with such a light, uniform bite & my hook point covered, it's really tough to decide when to set the hook. The fish might just stop and twitch its lips. They prefer water that is clear, slow moving, highly productive and moderately deep. While their mouth is big enough to engulf many typical baits, the opening to their esophagous is measured in millimeters. In reading a local forum, some guys reported catching a lot of Quillbacks when targeting Sturgeon. In the book, they spoke of catching "so many Carpsuckers that our arms got tired" at a dam on the Cannon River. I have snagged one or two over the years, but never came close to a real hookup with one. Maybe it's just a bad idea? Just thought I would throw the idea out there for anyone who wanted to try it out. This is one of the more difficult parts. And then there is the hook set. I didn't even mention it to Mags that I thought there might be quillback swimming with the carp. This was during the Coon Rapids dam Carp contest several years ago. Quillback definition is - any of several suckers; especially : a small fish (Carpiodes cyprinus) of central and eastern North America with a much elongated first ray of the dorsal fin. Players can catch all different species of fish when fishing with lures but only three when fishing with nets (i.e. Timothy Keene hooked a quillback on Bull Shoals Lake in … QUILLBACK. We were seasoned roughfishers. Author Topic: Quillback Carp (Read 4887 times) Tweet Share . Technique: They readily take both bait and lures. Angling for Carpsuckers Back in the 80's, when I was 16, I received the book Fishing for Buffalo, by Tom Dickson and Rob Buffler, as a gift from a good friend. that sums up the first several YEARS of sight fishing these so called carp suckers, mainly with fly tackle. The quillback is a carpsucker with a deep, rather thick body, with a large snout and a long, sickle-shaped dorsal fin. Night fishing can be very effective. I use exclusively braid for carpsuckers. Thick throughout the body with a deep keel make this chunky fish a real power house. if they are moving downstream I don’t bother. Here the carpsuckers feed in the straight line grazing pattern observed by several others here. The first lesson I learned about them was to stay the hell out of the water. So this means ... You must place a stationary bait directly in the carpsucker's path. the scenario for my very limited Quillback success was always pretty much the same: surprisingly, I've never caught a Quillback under a float, despite using much lighter tackle & I've never seen one swimming around, that I could readily identify -- I guess I have stealth issues :). It is a roughfisher's dream spot, chocked full of big white suckers, about 20 or 30 common carp in the 25-30" range, a few longnose gar, yellow and brown bullheads, white catfish (pretty rare species of bullhead), channel cats up to 10lbs, big gizzard shad, and tons of micros, heck, one time I pulled a 2 or 3lb eel outta there when I was fishing for catfish. The internet made it easier. So much matshy water around us that needs to be fished from a boat. Carpsuckers have big eyes and a sensitive lateral line. That would be where I'd concentrate they should be there now! Perhaps the braid has a more natural feel. Quillback can only be caught with blue and purple lures in fishing spot #12 (the shallow area with dragonflies and poles). It broke the previous state-record of 2 pounds, 12 ounces. sight fished in clear water (as is my favorite way to catch any fish) and with witnesses. So I did my best to duplicate this with what I had. They have deeply incised membranes on their very long, spinous dorsal fins. The later being important because between landing the fish and fiddling with the camera, the newly life listed quilly snatched back its freedom and returned to the eddy for more chow. They are often caught in deep, cold water by bottom fishing with herring or jigging. Now, I am inspired to go fish for them there, I have my #14 nymph hooks, my 2lb flurocarbon leaders, fly fishing splitshot to balance on the line like people do in the UK, and a shimano sedona 1500 spooled with 4lb mono... Something better happen. There were hundreds of carpsuckers suspended in there, floating in the still water like lazy ghosts. I will set my bait in their path and kneel down or lay down. Unlike any other previous time of getting my ass handed to me by these non terrestrial alien fish (native fish, yeah right! Now, I have a MUCH better idea of how & why I've caught them...  more importantly, why I've caught so few, despite their abundance, as reported by sampling. You might be surprised. In the early 90's, I made some progress. weight to hold it's spot in the current and easily reposition without spooking the fish. Generally, a size 2/0 to 5/0 will work depending on how big the rockfish are in the area you are fishing. The quillback is a member of the sucker family, and has a deep and highly arched body. “The quillback put up a pretty good fight. O Lord it's a big one. Individuals that will stray slightly from the line (I mean slightly, like maybe 2" to the fishes left/right of the track they are following) often seem easier than the ones that that stick hard to the line. You must use small hooks and tiny baits to catch feeding carpsuckers. When they are over the bait they will often keep going, but watch their pectoral fins. North Saskatchewan River Quillback are not considered a sport fish in Alberta but try and catch one. I could see them feeding on the sides of rocks, I think maybe they feed on herring spawn. SPECIES OVERVIEW. They have been a good fighting fish for me since I can only get them to bite when I use my ultralight. I have this little hole on a small river called the rivanna here in charlottesville. Just in a big school and getting pushed up? My preference for spots is small sand/silt flats. Ground baiting is a possibility but would draw in every juvenile channel cat from mile around. But true sportsmen will always rise to the challenge and figure out how to catch them. A Canadian flyfisher swore to me that if you caught one, you had to throw away your tippet or you would never catch another. I soon realized that it was a small carp and I was suffering from quillback feaver. Maybe gizzard or hickory shad? This is active feeding in a territory. I typically watch the fish. In these cases, even a perfect presentation is useless and you're going to have a bad time if you keep at it. As I recall we had a lot of fun catching a variety of species. Sometimes, these fish just suspend without feeding and become torpid. Carpsucker anglers are like Jedi masters, and you are closing in on Yoda territory. Now that I've learned that Quills have tiny throats, it kinda' makes sense. This is active feeding in a territory. Everything we knew about these fish was wrong. A single kernal of canned corn can also be effective. Just getting into casting range can be impossible. roughfish identification, lifelist angling, fishing rare unusual fish species: bowfin burbot buffalo gar redhorse suckers carp, Back to the Carpsuckers and Chubsuckers Page. My buddy caught one right next to me on a big ball of crawlers. Quillbacks are numerous in most warmwater rivers, but are probably the species of carpsucker most likely to occur in lakes and impoundments. We laughed as we prepared our tackle, expecting to have the best day of fishing in our lives. I used a small piece of crawler which was touching the bottom but the float would echo a bite since it was to cloudy of water to sight fish. Because of this, some states allow the barbaric practice of snagging or "snatching" with treble hooks. The lower fins are whitish (unlike buffalofishes, which have the lower fins dark). Depending on the angle, you might see the mouth extend or quiver. Both by the same lucky angler. Beats me, but some dude fishing a bass tournament in Tennessee just caught the new state record. I can't remember the technique he used to catch it. I've fished that part of the Potomac for about 30 years and there are indeed lots of quillbacks there this time of the year. This is the ONLY place I've been able to find useful info for targeting Quillbacks w/ bait & I've been looking for quite a while! I happen to use long light Steelhead rods, rather than proper carp tackle, so I can enjoy the smaller stuff. Meaning of quillback. They inhabit shallow, slow water areas, such as deep pools, backwaters, side channels, and the flats. This provides a semi-predictable pattern. Since then I have fished the Ottertail and have never scored nor have seen anyone else catch one. But they were hard to catch - very hard. We were wrong. All of us compared notes and results. A spookier fish you will not find. We didn't know why. if they are moving downstream I don’t bother. The quillback is our most common carpsucker.  Commonly found in most warmwater rivers and streams, they are very difficult to catch. I'll insert your techniques into the main article. Using an 11 1/2 foot rod, a sz 10 octopus/circle hook with a small nub of crawler and enough weight to more or less pin it in the fast current, I was able to get the bait in the feeding zone. So just what is a quillback carpsucker? All of the illustrious members of The Carpsucker Underground had watched these fish feed for many hours. In many mid-sized warmwater rivers, quillbacks are the most common fish in the stream - but the rarest catch on hook and line. Look for mouth movements and gills flaring / sifting debris. This page shows a Quillback that was photographed by William D. Anderson on 3/12/2006 at the Des Plaines River. Fewer eyes on you mean less risk of spooking them all. The old state record was 4.2lb and mine weighs 5.8lb! My most consistent success is with what I described above but it certainly is not required. It like you almost gotta think outside the box when targeting carpsuckers. River Carpsucker The river carpsucker has a silvery, deep, rather thick body, a long, sickle-shaped dorsal fin, and whitish lower fins. There were lots of them in Florence Lake in southern Minnesota, so I dragged a mob of intrepid fishermen down there to try for them. Often they will swim away from the bait if we use mono and wont be frightened by the braid. Quillbacks are very difficult to catch, except at the roughfish.com roundup. I thought they were some rare species that I could easily catch if only I could find them. I haven't got 1of them quill carp yet.we use to catch a lot of regular carp in the wb sect.there's some big ones there. Plants are living things, too -- they're just easier to catch! Anyone fishing from shore may continue to retain these species, although ODFW encourages release of uninjured copper, quillback, and China rockfish. This really means nothing because of what else happened that same day. Oh, to be a member of the illustrious, non-existent Carpsucker Underground... Sweet. While watching herds of carp swim by in the very cloudy water, there seemed to be fish trailing the carp that I suspected to be quillbacks. ; Use of a descending device to release rockfish is required when fishing deeper than 30 fathoms, and recommended at any depth for fish that are not able to submerge on their own. What's a man to do? At least not on these late spring / summer flats. But you have to be tense and ready to strike when they approach your bait, and when they have it, you have to strike quickly before they spit it out. You might be surprised. Bite detection for carpsuckers without using a float is almost impossible. So for me a lot of luck, a float, a size 10 egg style hook, and a half inch piece of crawler did the trick. Analysis of stomach contents results in a confusing menagerie of microscopic things:  microscopic algae, tiny larvae (tendipedids), miniscule crustaceans (cladocerans), and the smallest of aquatic insects. They can be found from subtidal waters to depths of 274 m (900 ft). In the book, they spoke of catching "so many Carpsuckers that our arms got tired" at a dam on the Cannon River. Jun 24, 2019 #1 A hook set a split second too early/late will result in foul hooking them on the outside of the lips, rather than inside the mouth. We went home skunked, depressed, and perplexed. Don't expect the carpsuckers to pull on your line, ever. I've got a question? Tips to Help You Catch More Rockfish Find the Bottom. When you see that set the hook. The best bait to catch large pelagic rockfish is lots of fresh bait on … Ran into some fish here and there, usually in 10-20 FOW. Quillbacks are very difficult to catch, except at the roughfish.com roundup. sucks!!! She called them "breath-feeders". There was plenty of leaf litter and small debris in the swirl and this carpsucker was taking small morsels from all around. #14 scud hooks, small circle hooks, and tiny pieces of worm will work. You simply cannot approach them in waders. it's very distinctive, almost like "line bites" from carp brushing against the main line, but it's much more prolonged & consistent...  up to several minutes. The visibility is about 2'' so no sight fishing. It's funny you say that, Pat, as this one was snagged at the base of a weir! My fishing buddies caught creek chubs and white suckers in a creek where the lake used to be. In 2014 I found a lone quillback very actively feeding in a crystal clear eddy over a sand bottom maybe a foot to 18"deep. As my time on the river was comeing to close that afternoon, I was praying to get hooked up, I was promising never to fish with two lines in Minnesota during the open water season ever again. I'm sure the area was littered with chum, which probably got them sifting the bottom good. Habitat: They prefer rocky bottoms from roughly 150 feet on out to 800 feet off or Oregon. You know the ones some people use for icefishing? Highfin Carpsucker The highfin carpsucker is distinguished by the length of the first ray of its dorsal fin, which reaches to or beyond the back of the dorsal fin. Another Missouri species ( Carpiodes cyprinus ) is properly called the quillback, and "silver carp" is properly used for Hypophthalmichthys molitrix , … Because these species make up the majority of catch in the bottomfish fishery, the bag limit can be increased, providing anglers with additional harvest opportunity. The fish measured 23 ½ inches in length and had a girth of 16 inches. Quillbacks are very difficult to catch. The bite of the quillback is extremely hard to detect - so much so that hypersensitive quill-type floats and leger rigs are often used, although many anglers who find them in clear water rely only on their eyes to detect a bite - waiting for the telltale flash of white as the quillback sucks in the bait.  They are excellent, strong fighters, especially in current, so be prepared for a long light-tackle battle if you should be lucky enough to hook one. But a fish was on and as it neared I was amped to see a quillback at the end of my line. This is an understatement. Out on the Potomac yesterday, I took this video yesterday of what I believe to be quillback: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3QNkglG85s. The highfin carpsucker is also a more slender, but deeper-bodied fish. Although I didn't land the snagged quillback, it recharged my ambitiions and went back to floating a micro piece of crawler. You can use both inline and offset circle hooks. I typically watch the fish. Cant wait to see some videos of your kayak fishing. And on the bright side, if things don't work out, I have plenty of other stuff to be entertained with. Find that quillback that wanders that area. A hook, a worm, and a sinker was all we needed. They're in my area for sure, I mean, look at this: Snagged while casting, unfortunately, but I still threw up in my mouth a bit when it came to the net. Alas, Florence Lake was gone. The rigging should be subtle and if you make even a ripple on the water near a Carpsucker you are hosed. Were looking into them as well. I had to leave early and on my way home I get a call from a very excited adult roughfisher who had just caught their lifer quillback. Don't know? I really need to catch one. Something like this might be highly effective, especially in a blind fishing scenario. Often I will cast 10 feet ahead of them and wait. If caught this member of the sucker family will rival any Alberta sport fish caught in the same weight category. That night I read and researched all I could on fishing for carpsuckers. Eli do you have a dam or something to stop their migration around you? One guys Post/Boast was seeing lots of Quillbacks over 10lbs. This is by boat on a big river, probably crusing all day & anchoring over holes/eddy's.

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